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looks like the troops knew better than the commanders as usual

Navy officer, Marine reportedly returned fire at Chattanooga gunman
Published July 22, 2015
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Political Insiders Part 1: Arming at home after Chattanooga
A Navy officer and one of the Marines murdered in last week's attack on a military center in Chattanooga fired their personal weapons at the gunman, according to a report published Wednesday.
[url=http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/21/sources-navy-officer-marine-shot-chattanooga-gunman/30426817/]The Navy Times, citing multiple military officials familiar with internal reports on the tragedy, reported that Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White, the commanding officer at the Navy Operational Support Center, fired his sidearm at Mohammed Abdulazeez during Thursday's attack.
The paper, citing a Navy official, also reported that one of the four Marines killed in the attack fired his 9mm Glock at the gunman. A Navy sailor also died in the shootout, as did the gunman. The possibility that the Marine had used his personal sidearm during the shooting was first reported by The Washington Post Monday.
A source close to the investigation told the Navy Times that while the details of the attack's final moments are unclear, authorities have uncovered no information that contradicts the Navy's own reporting.
Law enforcement sources told Fox News Tuesday that the FBI recovered the Glock at the scene and noted it did not belong to either the shooter or police. The sources said the weapon had been fired. Details about what type of weapon White used are unclear.
It is still unclear whether the shots that killed Abdulazeez were fired by White, the Marine, or local police. Fox News has learned that autopsies of the gunman and his victims have been completed and could be released later this week. The Navy Times reported that investigators won't know who fired the shots that stopped the rampage until a ballistics assessment is performed.
It is against Defense Department policy for anyone but military police or law enforcement to carry weapons on federal property. It was not immediately clear whether White would face disciplinary action.
The shooting at so-called “gun-free” military installations in Tennessee has prompted calls for a policy change.
Governors in Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Indiana and Florida have ordered National Guardsmen to be armed, and Florida Gov. Rick Scott relocated recruiters to armories.
U.S. military officials have said security at recruiting and reserve centers will be reviewed, but the Army's top officer, Gen. Ray Odierno, said it's too early to say whether the facilities should have security guards or other increased protection. He said there are concerns about accidental discharges and other security issues related to carrying loaded weapons.
However, Gen. Mark Milley, the man tapped as Odierno's replacement as Army chief of staff, told the Senate Armed Services Committee Tuesday that if legal issues could be resolved he thinks it would be appropriate, in some cases, to arm soldiers manning recruiting stations.
Tucked in strip malls in rural and suburban communities and in high-traffic city spots like New York's Times Square, military recruiting and reserve stations are designed to be open and welcoming to the public. The troops inside aren't allowed to carry weapons.
The ban is largely due to legal issues, such as the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which prohibits the federal government from using the military for domestic law enforcement. U.S. forces don't routinely carry guns when they are not in combat or on military bases. And Pentagon officials are sensitive to any appearance of armed troops within the United States.
Meanwhile, The New York Times reported Wednesday that the gunman, 24-year-old Abdulazeez, searched the Internet in the days leading up to the attack for information from Islamic sources about whether martyrdom would to forgiveness for his sins, such as drunkenness. The Hixson, Tenn. native was due in court after being arrested in April on a charge of driving under the influence
Fox News' John Roberts and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Good for him. I hope it was his shot that killed the ahole. Gee....someone else with directional ethics.

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(07-22-2015, 12:11 PM)peternap Wrote: Good for him. I hope it was his shot that killed the ahole. Gee....someone else with directional ethics.

looks like two of them were armed, the deceased marine was carrying a glock and the navy lt commander's gun is unidentified at this point. I'm sure Obama will court-martial him for defending his station.
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No doubt that officer's job is on the line. It will be real tough with public opinion but in the eyes of morons he broke the regulations.
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It's a dicey one for the Navy officer. His career is likely over now (not that it matters- he is a white guy and the navy is at the forefront of pushing racial diversity in assignments and promotions). Look for him to be charged with a Federal Firearms offense for having a concealed weapon in a federal office. Then the Navy will remove him for a loss in confidence in his ability to command or so the statement of removal often goes.

I liken his actions to what Alan West did while he was in uniform. West actually held an m9 to an iraqi's head and fired a shot to the side when he was doing a "harsh interrogation" regarding small arms ambushes being conducted against his unit. West was forcibly retired and barely escaped prosecution. He then won a congressional seat in Florida.
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(07-22-2015, 04:21 PM)HeidelbergJaeger Wrote: It's a dicey one for the Navy officer. His career is likely over now (not that it matters- he is a white guy and the navy is at the forefront of pushing racial diversity in assignments and promotions). Look for him to be charged with a Federal Firearms offense for having a concealed weapon in a federal office. Then the Navy will remove him for a loss in confidence in his ability to command or so the statement of removal often goes.

I liken his actions to what Alan West did while he was in uniform. West actually held an m9 to an iraqi's head and fired a shot to the side when he was doing a "harsh interrogation" regarding small arms ambushes being conducted against his unit. West was forcibly retired and barely escaped prosecution. He then won a congressional seat in Florida.


While they may try to do that quietly Nick, I fully expect it to get out quickly. It's up to all of us to hail this guy as a hero. Given enough noise, they may back off.
Even if they do though, I expect any future movement upward is out of the question.

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Sitting at WAWA drinking dinner and a fellow walked by with his wife he was wearing a Marines T shirt and a Taurus 24 /7. Judging by his walk and haircut, I'd say retired marine.
 He glanced at my Smith and we exchanged the thanks for OCING salute.
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Maybe my command of the English language is fading, but after reading the above article a few times, the last few lines don't sit well with me.

Correct me if I am wrong, but a native of a particular place is one who was born and raised in said locale. I would hardly call the shooter a native of Tennessee. That is unless my understandin about him being born in Kuwait is incorrect.
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(07-22-2015, 05:12 PM)HeidelbergJaeger Wrote: Maybe my command of the English language is fading, but after reading the above article a few times, the last few lines don't sit well with me.

Correct me if I am wrong, but a native of a particular place is one who was born and raised in said locale. I would hardly call the shooter a native of Tennessee. That is unless my understandin about him being born in Kuwait is incorrect.

Nick....I posted this elsewhere. Notice the solid grasp the reporter has on the English language.

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And who said journalism is dead?

Speaking of the Army's sensitivity of being seen as armed inside the Continental US, doesn't anyone remember the aftermath of Katrina where the 82nd was patrolling the streets of New Orleans? I vaguely remember an entry into the defense authorization act that for the most part suspends posse commetatus this past year. It's like they are trying so hard not to lie to us...
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